GENESIS 19:24 - TWO YAHWEHS?

“Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD [out of heaven]” (Gen. 19:24, KJV).

The words in brackets, [out of heaven], are doubtful, indicated by the following witnesses:

“Yahweh rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Yahweh” (Gen. 19:24, Jerusalem Bible).

Footnote: “f. Here a gloss adds ‘from heaven’”

Note: A gloss is a marginal comment which eventually shows up in the main text.

“Suddenly the LORD rained burning sulfur on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed them...” (Gen. 19:24, Good News Bible).

As does the Good News Bible, the following version omit the second mention of Yahweh:

“And then the LORD rained down fire and brimstone from the skies on Sodom and Gomorrah” (Gen.19:24, The New English Bible).

“The LORD sent a rain of burning sulfur down from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah and destroyed those cities” (Gen. 19:24, The New Century Version, 1991).

“Then the LORD sent fire and flaming smoke raining down from heaven on Sodom and Gomorrah” (Gen. 19:24, The Bible In Basic English).

“... the LORD rained sulfur and fire from the sky on Sodom and Gomorrah, devastating those cities ...” (Gen. 19:24, Smith & Goodspeed Translation).

Conclusion

It is now apparent that we can not be justified in proclaiming two Yahwehs from the evidence given in Genesis 19:24.

TWO YAHWEHS IN ISAIAH 44:6?

Isa 44:6, “Thus saith Yahweh the King of Ysrael, and His redeemer Yahweh of host; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no Elohim.”

Notice that both the King and His Redeemer are speaking and they are both called Yahweh in this verse, thus showing two entities with the Name Yahweh. Also they are both called Elohim, - “beside me there is no Elohim”.

 Voy Wilks’ Response Is As Follows:

Now to Isa. 44:6. Let me respectfully suggest, there is only one Yahweh spoken of here: the only Yahweh who exist (Deut. 4:35,39); Israel’s redeemer and king. Isa. 44:6 should be read in connection with the verses which follow. Notice the singular pronouns, I and Me (Verses 6, 7 and 8).

“I am the first and I am the last; beside me is no Elohim” (Isa. 44:6b). Elohim is singular for two reasons: (1) Scriptures tell us there is only one El, one Yahweh; and (2) because of the singular pronouns associated with Elohim.

“Is there and Eloah besides me? Yea, there is no God [tsur = Rock]; I know not any” (Isa.44:8b).

One Yahweh is speaking: “I”. This one Yahweh knew of no other Yahweh. Notice the message in the same chapter, Verse 24b:

“I am Yahweh that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself; ...”

Alone (#905) means “unaccompanied.” By myself means he did it alone, with no help from another.

 Quick Summary Thus Far

·       Yahweh is he Creator.

·       Yahweh had no help in the creation.

·       Yahweh did the creating alone.

·       Yahweh knew of no other Yahweh.

·       Yahweh is Israel’s king and redeemer

Other Versions

Much information can sometimes be obtained by comparing other versions [or “translation comparison”]. This is true when we consider Isa. 24:6a from several versions:

New American Bible “thus says Yahweh Israel’s King and redeemer ...”

The Koster Bible “Thus says YHWH, Sovereign of Israel and his Redeemer; ... (Israel’s redeemer).

Moffatt Translation “Here is the word of the Eternal, King of Israel, Israel’s deliverer, The Lord of host: ...”

New International Version “This is what Yahweh says - your redeemer who formed you in the womb; ...”

Jerusalem Bible “Thus say Israel’s king and redeemer, Yahweh Sabaoth; ...”

A number of other versions agree, such as The New Wold Translation, The New Century Version, The Living Bible, The Emphasized Bible, The Good News Bible, and The Bible In Basic English.

Please keep in mind that all these translators accepted the Trinity or the Duality, therefore they accepted the pre-existence of Yahshua. Nevertheless, the translations noted above disagree with the doctrine of the Trinity and Duality.

I wish to call attention to personal pronouns in the Koster Bible. Most if not all personal pronouns which refer to Yahweh were capitalized by Mr. Koster. When we consult Isa. 44:6a, we notice that the pronoun his is not capitalized, indicating Mr. Koster realized his referred to Israel, not to Yahweh and not to a second Yahweh:

“Thus says YHWH, Sovereign of Israel, and his [Israel’s] Redeemer, YHWH of hosts,...”

Conclusion

Scriptures reveal there is only one true Yahweh, one true El, and one true Elohim. Even if there were two or three Yahwehs, Isa. 44:6 could not properly be used as evidence to support this view, since the Scripture indicates Yahweh is Israel’s king and redeemer, not Yahweh’s king and redeemer.

A better case for Two Parties (Yahweh and a helper) might be made by using Isa. 41:1 where some versions read, “I, Yahweh, the first and with the last; I am he.”

But again, the translators have this covered. Please see the paper [or, CLICK HERE], “The Pre-existence - Isa. 44:1.” Also, we have learned that Yahweh did the creating all [ALONE #905]. No one helped him (Isa. 44:24; 48:12-13, and many other Scriptures).

First Corinthians 8:6: “But TO US there is but one Eloah, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Savior Yahshua the Messiah, [for, because of, or on account of] whom are all things, and we by him (1 Cor. 8:6, Holy Name Bible). Eloah is recognized as singular, even by Dualist [The bracketed words were added by I, the webmaster. Please CLICK HERE for an in depth explanation of this].

Do you have another Scriptures on the pre-existence? If so, send them one by one for my personal study and consideration.

Thanks,

Voy Wilks

Also see: Are There Two Yahwehs?

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HEAR, O ISRAEL; YAHWEH OUR ELOHIM IS TWO YAHWEHS - This Is Never Found In Scriptures 9/11/2001

YAHSHUA: SON OF ELOHIM

By Voy Wilks

10/18/98

 Peter’s Testimony

[Yahshua] said unto them, “But whom say thee that I am?” And Simon Peter answered, “Thou art the Messiah, the Son of the living God” (Mt. 16:15-16 KJV).

“Thou art the Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim” (Holy Name Bible).

“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim” (Bethel Edition).

“You are the Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim” (Koster Version).

“Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living Elohim” * (Hebrew/English New Testament, The Society For Distributing the Holy Scriptures to the Jews; One Rectory Lane, Edgware, Middlefax Has 7 LF, England).

Peter’s response clearly shows the living Elohim was not Yahshua. Elohim was the Father of  Yahshua. This reveals that the title Elohim, and often does, refer to only ONE person; one individual; Yahweh the Father. In fact, Yahweh is the only true Elohim. All others are only idols. They are nothing, just as the apostle Paul wrote:

“... we know that an idol is nothing in the world, ...” (1 Cor. 8:4).

Webmaster’s Note: cf. 1Chronicles 16:26.

Paul’s Testimony

“... we know ...there is none other Elohim * but one. For though there be that are called elohim, ... (as there are elohim many and lords many), BUT TO US there is but ONE Elohim, * the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Savior Yahshua Messiah [because of] whom are all things and we in him” (1 Cor. 8:4-6 [bracketed words added by webmaster. See: http://frank4yahweh.tripod.com/ByAndThrough.html for reason.]). Consult also Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Tim. 2:5.

The Apostle Paul promotes the same view: There is only one true Elohim; the Father. Yahshua is the Messiah, not the one true Elohim.

Conclusion

Theses Scriptures reveal that the title Elohim, although plural in term, is often employed to refer to one individual - Yahweh the Father, the Creator of all things in heaven and in earth (Neh. 9:6; Ps. 33:6-9 **). At least 50 Scriptures refer to Yahshua as the “Son of Elohim,” showing Elohim is only one person, one individual. This one person [individual] is Yahweh the Father, not Yahshua the Son.

*       Please consult the reading in the four versions named above.

**      See: Elohim: Singular Or Plural?

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THE PRE-EXISTENCE
1 Peter 1:11

6/25/97

"Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow" (1 Peter 1:11 KJV).

There is a least one other Scripture in which the translators add "Christ," as if he were back there in ancient times, when Israel was in the wilderness:

"Neither let us tempt Christ as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Nether murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer" (1 Cor. 10:9-10).

When we go back to the historical record, we see it was the LORD (Yahweh) whom Israel tempted, not "Christ" (Ex. 1:1-7; Nu. 14:20-22, 16:41, 21:5-8; Ps. 95:9-10; Heb. 3:7-11). Several versions have made corrections in the text or in a footnote, such as the Revised Standard Version, Knox Ver4sion, New World Translation, and the Bethel Edition. Now back to 1 Peter 1:11.

In a footnote, the Diaglott indicates the Vatican Ms does not contain the words "the anointed;" that is, Christ Messiah. Agreeing with this are the following versions:

The Koster Version (Note: Mr. Koster believed in the pre-existence).
The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures.
The New World Translation.
The James Duncan Version (1836).
The Geneva Bible of  1602 *

* The Geneva Bible give an uncertain reading, as follows:

"Searching when or what time the Spirit which testified before of Christ which was in them, should declare the sufferings that should come unto Christ, and the glory that should follow."

Even though the second "which" is misplaced, the meaning is apparently this:

The Spirit which was in the prophets testified beforehand of (about) the suffering of the Messiah, and the glory that should follow (come to the Messiah at a later time).

It was not the Messiah which was in the prophets; instead, it was the Spirit [of Yahweh] which was in the prophets. This thought is born out by other Scriptures:

"Yahweh, who at sundry times and in diverse manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, ..." (Heb. 1:1-2 KJV).

"But those things, which Yahweh before had showed by the mouth of all his prophets, that the Messiah should suffer, he has fulfilled" (Acts 3:18).

We see it was not the Messiah, but Yahweh, who revealed to the prophets the coming and sufferings of the Messiah. Isaiah 53 is a good example of his. This was spoken by the prophet Isaiah, by the Spirit of Yahweh (Isa. 53:1; Heb. 1:1). It was only later hat Yahweh spoke to us by his Son, Yahshua (Heb. 1:2).

Conclusion

Apparently, at an early time, someone added the word Christ to Peter's message in 1 Peter 1:11. This is indicated by several versions noted above. If this is correct, 1 Peter 1:11 does not indicate that Yahshua pre-existed.

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